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Janribet

01-23-2004, 12:02 AM

I have had many fun hours played with temerity people. My understanding at this time is that we will play by "first with force" rule. This is Temerity's decision from my understanding. More to point: DC want's to go for VaDyn sunday and were told "first with force". Please clarity for me as Janribet. I play with a lot of T people and have enjoyed every kill along with them. If our guilds are now in this situation I am sorry to hear it. Cordially- Jan My Cuse went down like a Lead Zeppelin.

Cadsuane

01-23-2004, 04:06 AM

First in Force rule is the official rule set down by sony for raid mobs. It means that the first group to have sufficient force assembled in the zone to kill a creature, as long as they are making progress toward the goal (not sittinng around waiting for more people to come), may not be leapfrogged (passed) by another guild. If a second guild wants to try the boss but has assembeled their sufficient force after the first guild, they must wait untill the first guild has has their try, as long as progress is being made toward the goal. In other words, whoever has enough people and isn't sitting around doing nothing has rights to the first shot at that boss. The seconnd guild may not engage it untill the first guild has wiped out/evaced/zoned. -Cadsuane Holy necromancer of jebus

Janribet

01-23-2004, 10:25 AM

Cadsuane: I understand what "First with Force" is and how it works. My question still stands unanswered. Are we no longer working together on when we will attempt mobs, or is it now going to be a race to zone's when the pop is up? Jan My Cuse went down like a Lead Zeppelin.

Clarity

01-23-2004, 10:53 AM

My understanding of yesterday was that the guild leaders spoke and worked it out and agreed. worked it out and agreed = working together?? I believe specifically, Nolan spoke for DC, maybe you should speak with him Jan? <A target=_Blank href="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=819768"> Clarity </A>

Isios

01-23-2004, 11:07 AM

Jan I am not saying what I am fixing to say to be mean, but we gave DC the night before to take down Va'Dynn, we keep things on a schedule, we know how to assemble as a raid, we can be assembled in less than 30 minutes. First in Force may end up being a good thing for DC in training them to become as efficient at raiding as we are. One of the things that I found irritating when raiding with Dc was the time it took to assemble and to get to the target. The Spankmistress has spoken.
 
 
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Janribet

01-23-2004, 11:26 AM

I agree that we have been slow to organize in the past, but that has improved. Soo - still to the point. If we go for Va'Dyn on sunday - should we expect you to come rolling in if we wipe, or worse yet, race to the spawn? My Cuse went down like a Lead Zeppelin.

Zatrik

01-23-2004, 11:53 AM

I don't believe we'd come in after you'd wipe, unless you left for good.  A CR before getting ready to try again may be conceived as still making forward progress (which is how it worked Tuesday). It'll be who gets there force with a raid that can make progress to Va'Dyne.  Not who gets someone or a small group there first. Nihilists! Fuck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos. 
-Walter

Janribet

01-23-2004, 11:53 AM

Lets make this easier. Multiple Choice Question to an officer. Will Temerity be scheduling a raid for Va'Dyn on sunday knowing that DC would like to schedule it on sunday also. A) Yes B) No There - that should simplify this thread. My Cuse went down like a Lead Zeppelin.

Gnatzilla

01-23-2004, 11:54 AM

First off let me preface my comments by saying I am not an officer and therefore none of my comments are considered guild policy. Having said that Janribet I am offended by your last post that insinuated actions that noone at Temerity has ever taken or would ever condone. I will answer your question with a question: Currently Temerity has 4 raid targets in rotation none of which are unique in level, difficulty and loot table. Why have you specifically targeted these NPC's? _______________________________________________ <a href="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=768984">Can Dual Wield AND carry a dozen donuts.</a>- Give up that bitter black urine men call coffee. Ahh. Java devil, you are now my bitch. --- The Tick <a href="http://www.thetick.ws/wavs/lep1/comprehend.wav">Tick sound bite</a>

Janribet

01-23-2004, 12:03 PM

Gnat - As for me insinuating anything, that was not my intent, and I don't think that I did. That is why I clarified. As to your question to me - we are going after Va'Dyn for a spell drop, not a big secret. Also - i am not an officer, and I ask these questions for my own understanding. Also, I come to your board with them out of respect for you guys and the friendships I have formed with some of your members. My Cuse went down like a Lead Zeppelin.

Presto

01-23-2004, 12:26 PM

Ok, please correct me if I am worng on the following statements. 1. DC and Tem were scheduled for Tuesday. Temerity decided to DC take VD, despite having sufficent force. 2. Now DC would like to attempt VD on Sunday, the first day he will be back up. 3. You want to know if we will step aside and let DC have a shot at VD again, and if so, how long will DC have. Not speaking as a guild officer ... Do you want the first shot a VD everytime ? You had first shot on Tuesday. While we did take VD last night, we were "coming from the on deck circle" if you will. In all fairness I think we should get first shot THIS time around, with DC on deck. Whether we fail or succeed, you would have first shot 3 days after he is brought down next. I hope you will agree that is fair. First shot should NOT depend on who got the kill, but rather who had first shot the last time.

Janribet

01-23-2004, 12:31 PM

I see your point Presto and agree completely. I didnt' see it from the viewpoint of "on deck" and first shot. I just saw it from the point of who got the kill. Mabye a "first shot" rotation can be agreed to among officers, not you and I<img src="/forums/images/gpicons/face_happy.gif"> as neither of us are officers. My Cuse went down like a Lead Zeppelin.

Zatrik

01-23-2004, 12:38 PM

There will be no rotation similar to what happened with Lodizal.  We will respect who comes there first with a raid, as we did Tuesday.  As to what we do on Sunday, I'm not sure of our plans. It's all a little silly though, there's plenty of mobs on this server.  We aren't cockblocking you out of certain zones like Vex Thal, or the Elementals.  And DC is substantially larger than Temerity at this point. Nihilists! Fuck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos. 
-Walter

Aarlo

01-23-2004, 01:48 PM

I need to jump in. There have been two clear declarations by Temerity memebers that we operate on a First in Force policy. The fact is, the leadership has not made a final decision on the matter. With that in mind, Temerity members should not be making such definite statements about our policies, when there is no such policy. And for DC, here is my perspective on what happened with Va'Dyn this week: We have a fairly rigid and defined scheduling framework now. This allows everyone to know which days are raid days and which days are exp days. For over a week, Temerity has had Va'Dyn scheduled for Thursday on the calendar. Azure went scouting in Akheva on Wednesday. He reported that Volotham was there perhaps doing the same thing, and shortly thereafter DC began converging on Akheva. We were bummed that you guys were going after him because that would pre-empt our schedule. But later we found out that Va'Dyn never fell, so we said "Cool, we can do it on Thursday after all." -- Aarlo Farlo (<A href="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=772306&resize=true" target=magelo>Magelo</A>)

SunRa

01-23-2004, 02:13 PM

<center><div class="QuotedForumText" style="width: 90%;text-align: left;"><hr>quote: Ok, please correct me if I am worng on the following statements. 1. DC and Tem were scheduled for Tuesday. Temerity decided to DC take VD, despite having sufficent force. 2. Now DC would like to attempt VD on Sunday, the first day he will be back up. 3. You want to know if we will step aside and let DC have a shot at VD again, and if so, how long will DC have. Not speaking as a guild officer ... Do you want the first shot a VD everytime ? You had first shot on Tuesday. While we did take VD last night, we were "coming from the on deck circle" if you will. In all fairness I think we should get first shot THIS time around, with DC on deck.<hr></div></center> Please not that the following is my personal opinion.  It is not the opinion of DC or any other officer, nor is it my opinion as an officer.  It is strictly my personal opinion.  First, I do want to thank you for “letting“ us try VD on Wednesday.  I want to know what you consider being the first group in ready to take down a specific raid target.  Does a group of people clearing out the pull area while the rest of the force shows up constitute being the first on the scene?   I just want some clarifications here, that is all I am looking for. As far as Sunday.  It is my understanding that VD is down, and was taken down by you.  First congradulations.  Nice job.  Having said that, is it your opinion that you should still get the next crack at him too?  Personally (once again MY opinion) I find that to be a load of bunk.  We wiped Wednesday, no doubt about it.  We wiped three times.  We have however learned from our experience.  I believe we will take him out this next time.  We were back at VD last night, we were there first.  We left because T left on the previous evening.  We felt it fair.  I prefer to think of EQ as a game and therefore would prefer to enjoy things, I am not in this for some sort of “glory“.  It is a game! Being a level 65 with epic and 400 AA levels really means nothing in the real world.  So once again, gratz on the kill.  I am going to assume KEI did not drop.  I have no idea what DC is going to decide to do as far as Sunday goes.  I will go along with whatever decision is made.  I would prefer to continue to be able to view my EQ experience as a game, and not some sort of piss on the rest of the players kind of experience.  That sort of thing is just not in my nature. If DC decides to tackle the VD on Sunday, I will do my best to be there even though it is not a day I normally play.  If we decide to not go, or if you guys get there first, I wish you the very best of luck and I hope you get the drop you want.  I mean that sincerely. -- <a href="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=767412" target="new">SunRa Wosret</a> Feral Lord, Gnome Eater <a href="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=1065146" target="new">Sekhmet Geb</a> 64 Tree Hugger "Live fast, die young and leave a magnificent looking corpse." <img alt="" src="http://www.frivolity.com/eq/eqq/q-eilsex.gif" align="bottom" border="0" hspace="0">

Cadsuane

01-23-2004, 02:33 PM

Please look at my first post for the clearest explaination of "First in Force" that I can give. If there are any specific questions about it, let me know. -Cadsuane Holy necromancer of jebus

Gnatzilla

01-23-2004, 02:36 PM

I am clueless as to why we are fighting over a single spawn. 12 NPC's drop “The Spell” Kodiacs Endless Intellect 4 of which are  doable by either guild. My original question still stands why Va'Dyn? SunRa we had a Raid force of over 24 available and ready to do Va'dyn on wednesday when you had a single group “Clearing the Zone in“ for 4 hours before your raid force arrived and we said nothing and did nothing. You started this lame game that is being played out don't preach to us. _______________________________________________ <a href="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=768984">Can Dual Wield AND carry a dozen donuts.</a>- Give up that bitter black urine men call coffee. Ahh. Java devil, you are now my bitch. --- The Tick <a href="http://www.thetick.ws/wavs/lep1/comprehend.wav">Tick sound bite</a>

Zatrik

01-23-2004, 02:38 PM

Nobody's preaching Gnat. Nihilists! Fuck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos. 
-Walter

Gnatzilla

01-23-2004, 02:41 PM

<center><div class="QuotedForumText" style="width: 90%;text-align: left;"><hr>quote: Nobody's preaching Gnat.<hr></div></center> Yeah I am an ass I shouldn't post. O well I am bored and I like drama makes my day go shorter<img src="/forums/images/gpicons/face_happy.gif"> _______________________________________________ <a href="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=768984">Can Dual Wield AND carry a dozen donuts.</a>- Give up that bitter black urine men call coffee. Ahh. Java devil, you are now my bitch. --- The Tick <a href="http://www.thetick.ws/wavs/lep1/comprehend.wav">Tick sound bite</a>

Isios

01-23-2004, 02:42 PM

We raid on specific days, last night happened to be raid night, we are very scheduled, I have no clue how our officers will handle this, but if sunday happens to be a raid day .... The Spankmistress has spoken.
 
 
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SunRa

01-23-2004, 02:45 PM

<center><div class="QuotedForumText" style="width: 90%;text-align: left;"><hr>quote: 
I am clueless as to why we are fighting over a single spawn. 12 NPC's drop “The Spell” Kodiacs Endless Intellect 4 of which are  doable by either guild. My original question still stands why Va'Dyn? SunRa we had a Raid force of over 24 available and ready to do Va'dyn on wednesday when you had a single group “Clearing the Zone in“ for 4 hours before your raid force arrived and we said nothing and did nothing. You started this lame game that is being played out don't preach to us. 
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Please do not say I started this lame game.  I sincerely meant that I was happy you let us try the VD on Wednesday.  I thought it was a nice gesture.  I had no idea that the zone in was being cleared for 4 hours.  I showed up at the agreed upon time, and less than 10 minutes after our agreed upon start time, we were in the second room getting ready for the pull.  You guys had already left before I got there, but I trully do appreciate your gesture.  If you think I do not, you do not know me.I too am clueless why we are fighting over a single spawn.  BTW, I love your sig.  I am of course going to have to add it to my list of sigs I steal. <img src="/forums/images/gpicons/face_cool.gif"> -- <a href="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=767412" target="new">SunRa Wosret</a> Feral Lord, Gnome Eater <a href="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=1065146" target="new">Sekhmet Geb</a> 64 Tree Hugger "Live fast, die young and leave a magnificent looking corpse." <img alt="" src="http://www.frivolity.com/eq/eqq/q-eilsex.gif" align="bottom" border="0" hspace="0">

Cadsuane

01-23-2004, 02:50 PM

We are fighting over it because it drops good gear and spells that make the game easier/more fun to play, allowing us to kill harder stuff that drops better gear. I would appreciate it if everyone Stopped Posting anything stupid here now. If this starts flaming, I will lock it. -Cadsuane Holy necromancer of jebus

Gnatzilla

01-23-2004, 02:52 PM

BAH go do your homework. _______________________________________________ <a href="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=768984">Can Dual Wield AND carry a dozen donuts.</a>- Give up that bitter black urine men call coffee. Ahh. Java devil, you are now my bitch. --- The Tick <a href="http://www.thetick.ws/wavs/lep1/comprehend.wav">Tick sound bite</a>

Janribet

01-23-2004, 04:54 PM

For the record. I did not post here to start flaming etc. I just wanted to come to the source and have a talk. I thank all the people that posted in that spirit. Jan My Cuse went down like a Lead Zeppelin.

Nolan

01-23-2004, 05:50 PM

Last night, circa 8:30pm EST, I noticed that Va'Dynn was still up and saw no mobilization on Temerity's part. I made the call for people to start heading to Akheva, and the first notice I had about this scheduled Temerity raid encounter was Eadan running past me in Maiden's Eye. After an unpleasant gathering in Akheva, Dark Conquest officers made the decision to leave the zone. For a variety of reasons, it was the correct thing to do, and I believe everyone in both guilds is pleased at this decision and the ultimate results. Nevertheless, it reveals an unfortunate lack of communication and planning between Temerity and Dark Conquest. I am in contact with officials from Temerity, and I am anxiously awaiting word from them for any future discussions. If events such as last night continue to occur, nothing will come of it except petty rivalry and disagreement. Those of you who have spoken to me know that I have nothing but the utmost respect for Temerity and I'm confident it won't come to that. The duration of the raid was longer than expected because, frankly, it was a totally new encounter for all of us. Isios' criticisms about our guild's failures, shortcomings, and how we're "not an efficient" as Temerity are noted, but I'm sure that Temerity's leadership knows the difficulties that accompany attempting a totally new target and how these sort of types of raids may drag on far longer than anyone would hope. Despite this, you guys have been successful with Va'Dynn, and I commend you all on that. The issue of the Sunday respawn is one that's still being discussed. As of yesterday, it's a tentatively-planned encounter in DC, but I'd much rather talk about it with Temerity before really making any official announcements to Dark Conquest. All members of Temerity are welcome to send me a private message here, register on the Dark Conquest forums, or send me a tell in-game. I am more than glad to discuss this matter or assuage any doubts you may have. Thank you for your time. Nolan of Dark Conquest. <hr align="left" noshade size="1" width="30%">
Nolan

Xxapp

01-23-2004, 08:52 PM

Okay let me see if I have this right, and please correct me if I'm wrong... 1) All this BS is about killing Va'Dynn, which up until now only Temerity has been capable of doing. 2) Temerity actually has scheduled A COUPLE OF WEEKS IN ADVANCE raids to kill him. 3) DC decides that they can kill Va'Dynn so they go and try - and get spanked, just like Temerity did on their first attempts. Temerity, who had the FORCE NEEDED ON LINE AND READY TO KILL HIM backs off to let DC kill him. However the first attempt on VD took place approximately 2 HOURS LATER. 4) The next day Temerity, who has had Va'Dynn scheduled as a raid encounter for A COUPLE OF WEEKS goes and kills him at the time that was scheduled. Note, as I was not part of this I do not know who from each guild was there, and in what numbers. I do know that Va'Dynn was dead within an hour because when I logged in he was dead and the raid was at our second target. So from this I see you are right Temerity should just back off from Va'Dynn because: A) Temerity has already killed Va'Dynn a bunch of times B) DC failed to kill Va'Dynn so Va'Dynn now belongs to them until they do kill him and after that DC gets him because of (A) C) DC had some people there first, even if it took 2 hours to actually start, they were there It is common knowledge that we have been killing him on a regular basis. So who from DC approached an officer from Temerity and asked if we had him scheduled for future kills? Who took the courtesy to make sure DC wasn't screwing up Temerity's schedule. Not asking permission but just saying "Hey we are going after VD, we really don't want to mess Temerity's schedule so how can we work this out so there aren't any problems?" NO! The way I see it is DC decides to kill him before Temerity's scheduled kill, Temerity usually sets up raids at about 8:30pm EST so DC schedules it for 5:30 EST, that gives DC 3 hours to set up and kill him before Temerity has a clue. Why do I think this? If 5:30 EST was DC's regular raid time, then the raid the day after the multiple wipes would have been set for the same time. DC's raid would have been well underway BEFORE 8:30 EST when the confrontation took place, Temerity's PRE-SCHEDULED raid time, AND THERE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ANY CONFRONTATION! And then what happens after DC doesn't get there way? They cry foul, complain that Temerity is unfair? Say that Temerity members should just buy PC's and play with all of the other jerks in EQ for PC. The last was a tell that I got from what I thought was a friend of mine in DC, and I wasn't even there!!! All I can say is take a good look in the mirror before you start pointing fingers.

Nolan

01-23-2004, 09:50 PM

Thank you for the feedback, Xxapp. I already stated there is no communication between Temerity and Dark Conquest in regard to raid targets and raid scheduling. There was no way for me to know that this was "scheduled" by Temerity, as the Temerity calendar is currently empty. On the flipside, we have never been contacted by Temerity about our plans for the week, weekend, evening, whatever. Hopefully, this is one of the things we can change with closer cooperation. I am sure Temerity has Va'Dyn scheduled for an eon or two, but, alas, there's no way for me to know this. I fail to understand your rationale concerning why we don't have a right to kill him. I'm sure it took you just as long to prep the first time you attempted him, and wiped just as many times we have. You don't own him. No one in my guild cried foul. We left the zone of our own free will because it was the right thing to do. Try and be open-minded and understand we wish nothing but cordial relations with Temerity. Thank you. Nolan of Dark Conquest. <hr align="left" noshade size="1" width="30%">
Nolan

Aarlo

01-23-2004, 10:15 PM

<center><div class="QuotedForumText" style="width: 90%;text-align: left;"><hr>quote: the Temerity calendar is currently empty.<hr></div></center> Just to clarify, all the listings are private, except for that upcoming RP event, so it just looks empty. I suppose we could just disbable the public viewing of the calendar since we never list public events.. this is a totally tangential issue, but just wanted to clarify your perception. -- Aarlo Farlo (<A href="http://www.magelo.com/eq_view_profile.html?num=772306&resize=true" target=magelo>Magelo</A>)

Zatrik

01-23-2004, 10:19 PM

Xxapp, I'm not quite sure that you even understand Temerity's position on this, so try not to direct inflammatory comments at DC and Temerity. Cadsuane has pointed out what our policy is now, and it's very clear. We're doing first in force, NOT who schedules him first. We cannot have it both ways. Nihilists! Fuck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos. 
-Walter

Xxapp

01-24-2004, 12:03 AM

A few points: I am just a member of Temerity and my opinion is exactly that "my opinion". As far as communication goes all of the leaders should be talking to each other. Having said that we need to look at this case. I'm going to start by asking how DC would feel if a Temerity Officer asked DC weekly for the past two months "We're planning our raids, is DC ready to kill Va'Dynn yet?" If I were in DC I'd take this as rubbing it in, and be highly pissed off. So that is obviously not an option. That, to me at least, puts the ball in DC's court to start the communication if they want to be a friendly server type. You can't tell me that DC didn't know Temerity was killing Va'Dynn because DC knew when he would pop, which means DC knew when he died which means DC knew Temerity was killing him. Or if DC didn't know when he would pop, you should have figured out that Temerity was killing him the first time DC went to Akheva and he wasn't up. And if this was the case then DC didn't have a raid PLANNED, as told to a Temerity member, to kill him on Wednesday. That means that DC has signed on to "first (person from) guild there has the rights to the mob" by your actions! I personally think that this is MUCH WORSE that first force. So with that said, I'd like to know did DC try to steal the kill out from under Temerity, KNOWING THAT IT WAS A SCHEDULED RAID or does DC believe that first (person from) guild owns the mob? Actually there is one other possibility, if DC would never think of farming a spawn every time it popped and in that thinking DC would not think that Temerity would farm a mob like that. Wait... Lodizal, scratch the last option. Your statement, that there was no way for you to know that we would be farming Va'Dynn, is strange because you would do the same thing and both guilds have farmed Lodizal for good loot in the past. Nowhere in my post did I even make a hint that DC did not have a right to farm Va'Dynn! I did infer that I believe DC was in the wrong in the way they approached it, knowing that Temerity was killing him on a cycle, the same as DC would. If no one in DC cried foul, then explain this thread, explain the tells that members in Temerity received last night from DC members. Oh yeah, our Raid Calendar is on our private board, and I now know why.

Xxapp

01-24-2004, 12:10 AM

<center><div class="QuotedForumText" style="width: 90%;text-align: left;"><hr>quote: Xxapp, I'm not quite sure that you even understand Temerity's position on this, so try not to direct inflammatory comments at DC and Temerity.

Cadsuane has pointed out what our policy is now, and it's very clear. We're doing first in force, NOT who schedules him first. We cannot have it both ways.<hr></div></center>

Hey, I'm Gnats new apprentice dead horse beater, leave me alone!!! Go get your own damn horse!!!<img src="/forums/images/gpicons/face_devil.gif"> It's MINE... ALL MINE!!!

Nolan

01-24-2004, 12:20 AM

<center><div class="QuotedForumText" style="width: 90%;text-align: left;"><hr>quote: 
So with that said, I'd like to know did DC try to steal the kill out from under Temerity or does DC believe that first (person from) guild owns the mob?
<hr></div></center>

Right. So, since Temerity has been killing this mob for a while now, any attempt on our part to get in a shot at Va'Dyn qualifies as a kill steal? I know you, Xxapp, and I truly hope you don't believe yourself so arrogant.

I don't come here to debate semantics about who should be contacting whom about killing what where and when. I come here to make a platform for increased communication between our guilds. Pardon my language, but this shitty debacle is never going to go away if we don't reach an agreement of some sort. If it's "first by force and damn you, Dark Conquest" then be it. But it's my understanding that the topic is still up in the air.

I don't aim to piss in anyone's cheerios -- I just want to talk.

As for DC members sending flagrant emails to T members... Send me their names and the content of the messages in a private message, please. <hr align="left" noshade size="1" width="30%">
Nolan

Zatrik

01-24-2004, 12:53 AM

Try to steal the kill? There was a small discussion and then they left the zone. Let's not blow this out of proportion. Anyway, sorry you feel that way Jan, I think this is the best though. This is the way it works on every other server though, and I think it rewards people who can get together quickly rather than leaving him up for days because people are too lazy because they think it's their turn. I don't see any reason why DC won't get to that point soon, afterall you are the bigger guild. Nihilists! Fuck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos. 
-Walter

Janribet

01-24-2004, 12:54 AM

To cut to the quick - Is it "if first by force, screw you DC", or is it possible to come to agreement. Either way i dont' really care - i just want to know if we are pissing off assholes, or hurting possbile friends Jan My Cuse went down like a Lead Zeppelin.

Janribet

01-24-2004, 12:58 AM

Whoah - i have seen "the bigger guild" brought up enough. What is meant by that? IO dont' understand why that is brought into play. My Cuse went down like a Lead Zeppelin.

vance34

01-24-2004, 02:11 AM

Sorry guys but i got to jump in on this and tell you all the truth EQ. Read Cads first post about First with raid force. Plain and simple if you guys got the raid force there at the time the mob is up, kill it and be on your way. This guild coming to agreements for times, spawns and rotation is just going to cause ten times more problems between both your guilds. Temerity isn't always going to have the raid force at the time for mobs, same as DC isn't going to have the force at the time for mobs. This is what EQ is intended for and its pure 100% competition for loots. This game is based around greed and first come first served. So what happens if 3 more guilds pop up with nice raid force that want these mobs too? Going to have 5 guilds taking turns for uba mobs all week long? Nope don't see that happening. No way 4 other guilds are going to sit there and twidel their thumbs waiting for guild_01 kill soandso mob all week long. I say this for every guild out there, you want a mob/zone haul your raid force there and kill it when its up, or have your raid force sit at the mobs spawn point for 8 hours waiting for it. Up to you. Thats EQ for you no matter what server you on. <img src=http://65.104.121.87/portalvbvs/Raginig.gif target=_blank> </img> 
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Two mountains will form one of solid rock the other grains of sand. 
The sand will blow away in the wind while the rock stands firm. 
The blade is sharp, gods will fall!

Vector

01-24-2004, 02:25 AM

I'm a newb and a nobody really. But here's a couple of things to take away. We all know Va'Dynn's spawn cycle. We (now) know that two guilds at least (and who knows when a coalition of smaller guilds might also think) feel that they can take Va'Dynn. Heck, DC even knows more or less when Temerity will likely be assembling for the kill (weekends mught be different, etc.). So stop worrying about who has what scheduled. DC schedules their peeps. Temerity schedules ours. Temerity shows up and DC is engaged with VD, fine. Temerity leaves (or maybe waits to see that DC is successful). If Temerity shows up and is ready to go but DC isn't (even if they are there already), then DC gets out of the way and lets Temerity try. Temerity fails, DC (assuming they are ready) gives it shot. Look, had DC not left last night. Temerity would have continued to assemble. When we were ready, we'd have moved in to take VD (probably with an OOC announcement that we were “Pulling Va'Dynn, stand clear” or something). The real issue that I am worried about, personally, is when both of us show up and think we're ready at the same time and one guild (much to the chagrin of the other) moves in. Then what happens? Also, if I were able to engage the leadership of both guilds, I would ask them to agree on First in Force but also discuss what to do about “failed” attempts. I think THAT might be where any real animosity migth arise. Vector Temerity's Weakest Cleric The person formerly known as Vector

Deleted User

01-24-2004, 02:28 AM

ok my turn for my two cents (keep in mind its my personal opinion doesnt reflected DC, having said that saying anything i say is my right as an american citizen, the country i live in) ok yes we did try for Va Dyn Weds night. didnt kill it. was gonna try it thursday. didnt do it becuase WE FOUND OUT temerity planned it. we had actually (if memeory serves right) planned to kill him sunday night. i was moving all day rushed home to join the raid, would have used the nitrous in my car .......if i had nitrous, only to discover that temerity had already killed him. did Temerity know we where gonna go after Va Dyn sunday? im assuming no. no big deal you guys didnt know just like from what i have talked to alot of the non officer guildies, we didnt know you had it planed for thursday, cant speak for the rest of the guildies, but i dont come to tem website, hell i didnt even know what the site name waas till last night. seeing as how we are a small server i would think a compromise could be reached if we could stop sitting around like a bunch of pre schoolers waiting on nap time to be over so we can get our cookie , (and i mean that about BOTH guildes), personally i would like to see an agreement to be made, when i wass in THG i thought it was so cool how Tem and DC reached an agreement on Lodi, it showed to me alot of nobility on both parts. there are quiet a few tem memebers that i havent really grouped with or only grouped with a few times had enjoy talking to, IE clarity (cuase Clarity is so nice and rocks) nuitary, aarlo, tofu, and Kandyl And vector ......well we go way back. alot of people are geting a little pissy about this and i know none of you are 12, if a comprimise cant be reached, then fuck it its a big norrath out there, if your planning a raid then plan an ALTERNATIVE target. in case the other guild is raiding, and i post this here also becuase i know alot of DC people are checking this out. I mean personally im along for the ride yeah uber gear is great, as an enchanter KEI would be so awesome.......... but you know what i have a great time raiding and soling and just talking in tells to people. ITS A FUCKING GAME. ITS THE PEOPLE THAT MAKE THIS GAME FUN. thats why i didnt even bother applying to tem when i was thinking about leaving THG cuase i had a blast grouping with the DC people.........Tem never bothered inviting me on anything and for the most part have only had a few good encounters with tem people, and thats with the ones listed above. as to where DC they always invited me on things, saw that i needed some help to grow as a chanter and offered it, as to wear i grouped with a few (nifrum i think was the pally and dude you are a mad man<img src="/forums/images/gpicons/face_happy.gif"> ) in fungus grove one time as to where DC invited me on raids, groups and took me to zones i didnt know existed. and now im rambling but the thing is both guilds are great, both guildes have great people, why we seem to fueding and cant act like the adults i know we are is becoming beyond me, jan came here and asked a simple question, rude comments have been made about the question from what i see as non raid Tem officers. i might be wrong , but i think aarlo is the raid officer for Temerity, so wouldnt since be made for Aarlo and Nolan to sit down and make an Attempt at a comprimise? i know alot of DC people would like to see a comprimise and we dont want to have to get militant and demand our people to drop what they are doing, demand they be at a zone at a certain time just so we can beat Temerity. to me that sounds like a big game of capture the flag, keep in mind im a little rusty on that game seeing as how i havent played with it in at least 16 or 17 years. it basically sounds to me like we are resulting to "oh well billys group is begining to get over to that part of the playground.....let all drop what we are doing and go do it now cuase we were gona go there in a few hours" i mean WTF mate? im done joining in this childish he said she said bullshit. Aarlo seems to have a cool head on this before words are said and fingers are pointed please sit down with nolan one day soon talk this out like civiliased people becuase i believe that with a severer our side we dont have to rely on SoE's first with force rule, cuase there are only two competitors here. as to were PC side there would be 6 or 7 , to which yeah i would see a first with force policy being needed. but when its only two....come on people lets stop with the hair pulling. with this being said.........Temerity your a rocking guild and I congratulate you on all your success, DC your a rocking Guild and we will continue to rock. and lets all rock together and with unity as a UNIFIED server. just my two cents and im done now. sorry to type so much

Deleted User

01-24-2004, 02:30 AM

oh shit didnt relized i typed that much sorry about not putting that into you know paragraph form, didnt mean for it to go that far lol

Cadsuane

01-24-2004, 02:32 AM

This is officially a dead horse with too much inflamitory commentary now. If anyone has something positive to ad, Private Message it to me and I will post it and give you credit. Thread Locked. -Cadsuane Holy necromancer of jebus

Janribet

01-24-2004, 11:45 AM

Wow - it has come a long way from being civilized. Zatrik - Cads - if you want it that way - that is fine - I just thought we would have a better game (server-wide) if we sould be two different guilds and work together. What the fuck would have happened if a merger took place. LOL. Two guilds can't even get along, even when supposed friends try to work it out? My Cuse went down like a Lead Zeppelin.