Question

Janribet · 01-23-2004, 12:02 AM

I have had many fun hours played with temerity people. My understanding at this time is that we will play by "first with force" rule. This is Temerity's decision from my understanding.

More to point: DC want's to go for VaDyn sunday and were told "first with force".

Please clarity for me as Janribet. I play with a lot of T people and have enjoyed every kill along with them. If our guilds are now in this situation I am sorry to hear it.

Cordially- Jan

My Cuse went down like a Lead Zeppelin.

Cadsuane · 01-23-2004, 04:06 AM

First in Force rule is the official rule set down by sony for raid mobs. It means that the first group to have sufficient force assembled in the zone to kill a creature, as long as they are making progress toward the goal (not sittinng around waiting for more people to come), may not be leapfrogged (passed) by another guild. If a second guild wants to try the boss but has assembeled their sufficient force after the first guild, they must wait untill the first guild has has their try, as long as progress is being made toward the goal.

In other words, whoever has enough people and isn't sitting around doing nothing has rights to the first shot at that boss. The seconnd guild may not engage it untill the first guild has wiped out/evaced/zoned.

-Cadsuane
Holy necromancer of jebus

Janribet · 01-23-2004, 10:25 AM

Cadsuane:

I understand what "First with Force" is and how it works. My question still stands unanswered. Are we no longer working together on when we will attempt mobs, or is it now going to be a race to zone's when the pop is up?

Jan

My Cuse went down like a Lead Zeppelin.

Clarity · 01-23-2004, 10:53 AM

My understanding of yesterday was that the guild leaders spoke and worked it out and agreed. worked it out and agreed = working together?? I believe specifically, Nolan spoke for DC, maybe you should speak with him Jan?

Clarity

Isios · 01-23-2004, 11:07 AM

Jan I am not saying what I am fixing to say to be mean, but we gave DC the night before to take down Va'Dynn, we keep things on a schedule, we know how to assemble as a raid, we can be assembled in less than 30 minutes.

First in Force may end up being a good thing for DC in training them to become as efficient at raiding as we are. One of the things that I found irritating when raiding with Dc was the time it took to assemble and to get to the target.

The Spankmistress has spoken.

Janribet · 01-23-2004, 11:26 AM

I agree that we have been slow to organize in the past, but that has improved.

Soo - still to the point. If we go for Va'Dyn on sunday - should we expect you to come rolling in if we wipe, or worse yet, race to the spawn?

My Cuse went down like a Lead Zeppelin.

Zatrik · 01-23-2004, 11:53 AM

I don't believe we'd come in after you'd wipe, unless you left for good. A CR before getting ready to try again may be conceived as still making forward progress (which is how it worked Tuesday).

It'll be who gets there force with a raid that can make progress to Va'Dyne. Not who gets someone or a small group there first.

Nihilists! Fuck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

-Walter

Janribet · 01-23-2004, 11:53 AM

Lets make this easier.
Multiple Choice Question to an officer.

Will Temerity be scheduling a raid for Va'Dyn on sunday knowing that DC would like to schedule it on sunday also.

A) Yes
B) No

There - that should simplify this thread.

My Cuse went down like a Lead Zeppelin.

Gnatzilla · 01-23-2004, 11:54 AM

First off let me preface my comments by saying I am not an officer and therefore none of my comments are considered guild policy. Having said that Janribet I am offended by your last post that insinuated actions that noone at Temerity has ever taken or would ever condone.

I will answer your question with a question:

Currently Temerity has 4 raid targets in rotation none of which are unique in level, difficulty and loot table. Why have you specifically targeted these NPC's?

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Janribet · 01-23-2004, 12:03 PM

Gnat - As for me insinuating anything, that was not my intent, and I don't think that I did. That is why I clarified.

As to your question to me - we are going after Va'Dyn for a spell drop, not a big secret.

Also - i am not an officer, and I ask these questions for my own understanding. Also, I come to your board with them out of respect for you guys and the friendships I have formed with some of your members.

My Cuse went down like a Lead Zeppelin.

01-23-2004, 12:02 AM	#1
Janribet Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,562	Question I have had many fun hours played with temerity people. My understanding at this time is that we will play by "first with force" rule. This is Temerity's decision from my understanding. More to point: DC want's to go for VaDyn sunday and were told "first with force". Please clarity for me as Janribet. I play with a lot of T people and have enjoyed every kill along with them. If our guilds are now in this situation I am sorry to hear it. Cordially- Jan My Cuse went down like a Lead Zeppelin.

01-23-2004, 04:06 AM	#2
Cadsuane Guild Elder Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Bumfuck, Iowa Posts: 1,375	RE: Question First in Force rule is the official rule set down by sony for raid mobs. It means that the first group to have sufficient force assembled in the zone to kill a creature, as long as they are making progress toward the goal (not sittinng around waiting for more people to come), may not be leapfrogged (passed) by another guild. If a second guild wants to try the boss but has assembeled their sufficient force after the first guild, they must wait untill the first guild has has their try, as long as progress is being made toward the goal. In other words, whoever has enough people and isn't sitting around doing nothing has rights to the first shot at that boss. The seconnd guild may not engage it untill the first guild has wiped out/evaced/zoned. -Cadsuane Holy necromancer of jebus

01-23-2004, 10:25 AM	#3
Janribet Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,562	RE: Question Cadsuane: I understand what "First with Force" is and how it works. My question still stands unanswered. Are we no longer working together on when we will attempt mobs, or is it now going to be a race to zone's when the pop is up? Jan My Cuse went down like a Lead Zeppelin.

01-23-2004, 10:53 AM	#4
Clarity GP IMPORTED USER Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 654	RE: Question My understanding of yesterday was that the guild leaders spoke and worked it out and agreed. worked it out and agreed = working together?? I believe specifically, Nolan spoke for DC, maybe you should speak with him Jan? Clarity

01-23-2004, 11:07 AM	#5
Isios GP IMPORTED USER Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 272	RE: Question Jan I am not saying what I am fixing to say to be mean, but we gave DC the night before to take down Va'Dynn, we keep things on a schedule, we know how to assemble as a raid, we can be assembled in less than 30 minutes. First in Force may end up being a good thing for DC in training them to become as efficient at raiding as we are. One of the things that I found irritating when raiding with Dc was the time it took to assemble and to get to the target. The Spankmistress has spoken.

01-23-2004, 11:26 AM	#6
Janribet Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,562	RE: Question I agree that we have been slow to organize in the past, but that has improved. Soo - still to the point. If we go for Va'Dyn on sunday - should we expect you to come rolling in if we wipe, or worse yet, race to the spawn? My Cuse went down like a Lead Zeppelin.

01-23-2004, 11:53 AM	#7
Zatrik GP IMPORTED USER Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,535	RE: Question I don't believe we'd come in after you'd wipe, unless you left for good. A CR before getting ready to try again may be conceived as still making forward progress (which is how it worked Tuesday). It'll be who gets there force with a raid that can make progress to Va'Dyne. Not who gets someone or a small group there first. Nihilists! Fuck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos. -Walter

01-23-2004, 11:53 AM	#8
Janribet Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,562	RE: Question Lets make this easier. Multiple Choice Question to an officer. Will Temerity be scheduling a raid for Va'Dyn on sunday knowing that DC would like to schedule it on sunday also. A) Yes B) No There - that should simplify this thread. My Cuse went down like a Lead Zeppelin.

01-23-2004, 11:54 AM	#9
Gnatzilla Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 2,602	RE: Question First off let me preface my comments by saying I am not an officer and therefore none of my comments are considered guild policy. Having said that Janribet I am offended by your last post that insinuated actions that noone at Temerity has ever taken or would ever condone. I will answer your question with a question: Currently Temerity has 4 raid targets in rotation none of which are unique in level, difficulty and loot table. Why have you specifically targeted these NPC's? _______________________________________________ Can Dual Wield AND carry a dozen donuts.- Give up that bitter black urine men call coffee. Ahh. Java devil, you are now my bitch. --- The Tick Tick sound bite

01-23-2004, 12:03 PM	#10
Janribet Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,562	RE: Question Gnat - As for me insinuating anything, that was not my intent, and I don't think that I did. That is why I clarified. As to your question to me - we are going after Va'Dyn for a spell drop, not a big secret. Also - i am not an officer, and I ask these questions for my own understanding. Also, I come to your board with them out of respect for you guys and the friendships I have formed with some of your members. My Cuse went down like a Lead Zeppelin.

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